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VSTi's and delay compensation.

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I'm having an issue where kontakt does not seem to be reporting its correct latency values to reaper, or reaper is simply ignoring kontakt when it comes to automatic delay compensation. I tend to use several instances of kontakt when composing along side XLN VSTi's (AD and AK) and as I build up my arrangements I notice that everything get's more smeared and indistinct each time I add a new part/layer. Obviously that's going to happen to some extent due to frequency masking, however considering that i'm writing each part to mostly not step on the toe's of other tracks and using appropriate timbres for each register this smearing/indistinctness seemed to be more than what was warranted. with that in mind I noticed a particular kontakt track was not quite in time with everything else and decided to use the delay/time adjustment plugin to tighten it up by ear. The track ended up sitting nicely and cut through everything else as it needed to. for whatever reason after that I decided to start messing about with the time/delay plugin on my other kontakt tracks using addictive drums as my reference for how tight each track was with it's timing. To my surprise, after about five minutes of fiddling the smear and indistinctness I was talking about had gone, everything was clearly audible to the extent at which I had intended it to be when written. I was quite baffled by this as the conclusion I drew from it was that Kontakt is not reporting it's delay to reaper correctly. Thus each instance of kontakt is not playing back as tightly as it should creating all sorts of phasing/timing issues across the frequency spectrum. So with all that said, does anyone have any idea of what the problem could be? If so is there anyway to fix it so I don't have to manually adjust playback delay? Thanks. TLDR: Kontakt does not seem to be reporting its delay to reapers ADC correctly which is causing my tracks to become smeared with phase and timing/tightness issues.

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01.10.22 - 11:07:54
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RE: VSTi's and delay compensation.

do you have pdc turned on in each of the tracks? that's mainly to compensate for you playing slightly early in response to perceived latency (our brains do that naturally), so it should always be on when monitoring in reaper. i don't use kontakt too much, but i've never had that problem and other NI products don't do it either. but if it was incorrect latency reporting, it should still be consistently off by the same amount, not each one randomly off.

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01.10.22 - 11:11:39
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RE: VSTi's and delay compensation.

well all i can tell you is that i don't get that problem with kontakt and i'm using all my vsti's in with automatic bridging enabled in vst compatibility prefs. are you running them as a separate or dedicated process? i might be confusing threads now. are you doing lots of complicated routing? sometimes i think there can be slightly different latency on the sends vs the main path, so maybe you are getting phase cancellation due to that.

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01.10.22 - 11:17:28
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RE: VSTi's and delay compensation.

no problem. floating window doesn't necessarily mean that. but unless you've changed the individual plugin preference (by right clicking>run as...) when adding it, it will follow the global preference. instead of sending to a group track, you might try using a folder instead. see if that's any different.

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01.10.22 - 11:23:53
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RE: VSTi's and delay compensation.

Right so I've found something that seems odd to me. kontakt is reporting 0 samples of delay in the FX window, but reaper is compensating for it by 128 samples, is this normal?

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01.10.22 - 11:29:49
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RE: VSTi's and delay compensation.

Can you check if any of the loaded patches in Kontakt use a Convolution effect module? That module is the only one that can produce any latency. Check if the latency in it is set to 0 ms or not. If it isn't, do set it like that.

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01.10.22 - 11:33:15
Message # 6
RE: VSTi's and delay compensation.

okay I went through each patch and set the latency on the convolution to 0ms. however my bass track is not using a convolution module, and reaper is still reporting that it's compensating by 128 samples for that instance of kontakt with the plugin not reporting any: 0/128 spls it's the same for all my kontakt plugins, none of them are reporting delay, yet reaper is compensating for it. Sometimes up to 5760 samples!

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01.10.22 - 11:37:39
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RE: VSTi's and delay compensation.

^^^^ Can you post a small problem project with a couple of tracks using Kontakt factory instruments, so that we can see what's happening?

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01.10.22 - 11:47:32
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